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upier · Oct 30, 2009, 11:13 AM // 11:13

It's insanely hard to answer questions where the person wants to play in a way that can't be somehow objectively rated.
In those cases, it's actually MUCH easier to just decide yourself what you like! Which makes this thread a bit pointless.

Tenebrae · Oct 30, 2009, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by upier

It's insanely hard to answer questions where the person wants to play in a way that can't be somehow objectively rated.
In those cases, it's actually MUCH easier to just decide yourself what you like! Which makes this thread a bit pointless.

Maybe it is for you , then leave. The op Question clearly leaves "omg play this overpowered build and nothing else because it kills faster" away . That is what makes those kind of posts pointless. This is about suggestions or combos or weird builds to mimic other prim classes WITHOUT trying to be BETTER than them at X task.

The Drunkard · Oct 30, 2009, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by upier

This is good player vs. bad player and completely irrelevant to mesmer vs. X.

Personally, I'd rather have a good player on the most effective build.

-A good mesmer that doesn't want to Ap spam will look at the monster's skills before fighting in an area to prepare their bar for.
-A good mesmer will be focusing on the high priority spells to interrupt such as meteor or spirit rift
-A good mesmer will apply antimeele hexes to meele monsters and vice versa with casters.
-A good mesmer will use their skills to augment the team.

A mesmer's effectiveness is determined by their synergy with their teammates , in both PvP and Pve. For example, if said mesmer tries to run a CoP bar on a RoJ team without bothering to add in crowd control, that team is going to fail in dungeons.

The OP is looking for alternate builds that can have synergy with teams. As long there is synergy, subpar builds can work just as well as the good ones. I run earthern shackles on my mes sometimes- with 3 SF heros packing multiple AoE spells. Although I might have a bad skill on my par, I can allow for other builds to become much more effective.

A good vs. bad player makes all of the difference- especially with an underated class such as a mesmer.

upier · Oct 31, 2009, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Maybe it is for you , then leave. The op Question clearly leaves "omg play this overpowered build and nothing else because it kills faster" away . That is what makes those kind of posts pointless. This is about suggestions or combos or weird builds to mimic other prim classes WITHOUT trying to be BETTER than them at X task.

The guy has 13 guys.
We established that there is nothing a mesmer can do that another guy can not do better.
Which means, the OP could just reflect on what he ran in PvE before and had fun and success with and run that.

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

-A good mesmer that doesn't want to Ap spam will look at the monster's skills before fighting in an area to prepare their bar for.
-A good mesmer will be focusing on the high priority spells to interrupt such as meteor or spirit rift
-A good mesmer will apply antimeele hexes to meele monsters and vice versa with casters.
-A good mesmer will use their skills to augment the team.

A mesmer's effectiveness is determined by their synergy with their teammates , in both PvP and Pve. For example, if said mesmer tries to run a CoP bar on a RoJ team without bothering to add in crowd control, that team is going to fail in dungeons.

The OP is looking for alternate builds that can have synergy with teams. As long there is synergy, subpar builds can work just as well as the good ones. I run earthern shackles on my mes sometimes- with 3 SF heros packing multiple AoE spells. Although I might have a bad skill on my par, I can allow for other builds to become much more effective.

A good vs. bad player makes all of the difference- especially with an underated class such as a mesmer.

Replace mesmer with necro. Ritualist. Ele.
You can use pretty much the same post for any guy.
There is nothing about the mesmers that would make players playing it good by default.
Yes, a good mesmer player will help a party.
Why?
Because the player is good and not because he is a mesmer!

If the question was synergy though, then 4-8 man builds SHOULD be posted.

Tenebrae · Oct 31, 2009, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by upier

The guy has 13 guys.
We established that there is nothing a mesmer can do that another guy can not do better.

The guy has what ? wth are you talking about lol . When mimic another prof ? ofc , no one thinks otherwise.

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Originally Posted by upier

Because the player is good and not because he is a mesmer!

Therefore class DONT limit player skill , a good mimic mesmer can be equal or better than a medium skilled ele but once again thats not the point of this thread , stop going offtopic.

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Originally Posted by upier

If the question was synergy though, then 4-8 man builds SHOULD be posted.

Oh yes , because your so beloved Mesmer AP caller has nothing to do with synergy cough cough*discordwar*cough . You just cant look from outside the box dont you ? dont answer please , we all are seeing it .

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

A good vs. bad player makes all of the difference- especially with an underated class such as a mesmer.

Thats it.

upier · Oct 31, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

The guy has what ? wth are you talking about lol . When mimic another prof ? ofc , no one thinks otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

That's exactly the case. This noob Mes is my 13th character, and I'm playing one because I've played at least one of every other profession through every single PvE aspect of all 4 titles, including esoterica such as every quest I can find including Titan quests, capping all primary elites, doing every dungeon, getting all 3 protector titles on all 12 of my toons, etc etc.

My bad.
That should have read "The guy has 12 guys."

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Therefore class DONT limit player skill , a good mimic mesmer can be equal or better than a medium skilled ele but once again thats not the point of this thread , stop going offtopic.

A player on a mesmer can use the skills in the same way a player on a ele can.
For instance - a player on a mesmer can use Blinding Surge the same way a player on an ele can. The player selects a foe, the player presses the skill "Blinding Surge" and ... ta-dah ... the foe should take damage and be blinded.
The difference is the effectiveness of that skill used, in our case, Blinding Surge.
And when it comes to that - the skill Blinding Surge is more effective when used on an ele.

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Oh yes , because your so beloved Mesmer AP caller has nothing to do with synergy cough cough*discordwar*cough . You just cant look from outside the box dont you ? dont answer please , we all are seeing it .

Given on what was posted:
The IW mesmer has ABSOLUTELY no synergy with anything.

The curser has potential for synergy but:
1. it would be improved by selecting better skills - GDW, EBSoH, Weaken Armour.
2. it would be improved by being ran on a different guy - necro.
3. 2 paragon heroes, 1 mm.

Basically, the only reason why the mesmer is running this is because you do not like the outfits of the guys that would otherwise run a comparable build.